bagazaga wrote:biolizard89 wrote:what exactly would be the point of making ISP's trusted parties?
I'm not talking about making them trusted parties(yet they are already, in fact). I'm talking about massive adoption. The only way for namecoin to become default DNS is to make it available by default with linux distros, without any efforts. ISP's can make namecoin available to masses if it ever become available by default with linux distros, simply by not removing corresponding packages. With further namecoin adoption it will eventually become recognized part of an internet and get into all major OS's default distros.
Please define what you mean by "trusted parties". Also please define what you mean by "ISP's can make Namecoin available to masses". I strongly suspect that at least one of your definitions does not match the commonly accepted definition.
bagazaga wrote:biolizard89 wrote:it's a major pain in the rear to install explicitly [1]
[1] There's ongoing work happening in this area.
I know, yet it's a showstopper for Namecoin itergration into linux distros. This work is rather very important for Namecoin's future.
What exactly are you saying that you know?
I'd like to point out a few things.
1. It's completely obvious, uncontroversial, and frankly uninteresting to point out that the fact that Namecoin is a pain in the rear to install is an important thing to fix for Namecoin's future.
2. The actual work that fixes this is coding, funding, and outreach.
3. Happily, the above actually is happening. Specifically:
3a. Hugo and I have been coding stuff.
3b. That coding has been funded by donations to NMDF and the Namecoin Bountysource account. We are actively seeking additional funding.
3c. I have been doing outreach to an OS vendor, and they are very interested in the work that Hugo and I are doing.
4. None of the above work has anything to do with trusting third parties. I won't disclose here the OS vendor that I've been talking to (I don't think it's at all relevant to this conversation), but suffice to say that they would not have any interest in bricking their users' safety. Nor would I.
5. None of the above is served by complaining about Namecoin being a pain in the rear to install as though you think we are unaware that it's very important. Literally everyone who has ever tried to use Namecoin, let alone who develops it, is pretty clearly aware of this.
6. Rather than asking questions about any of the above, you decided to introduce yourself to this community by stating the obvious, combined with stating things that you would have figured out very quickly are harmful ideas had you actually read any of this forum's history (or, for that matter, had you read the Namecoin subreddit's history, or even watched my 10-minute lightning talk that's linked to on the front page of the Namecoin website). Please be advised that this is not a particularly effective way to make a good first impression on any free software community. We're a pretty laid-back community, but no free software community really enjoys being told what to do by someone who clearly hasn't done the minimal research to figure out that this topic comes up regularly, nor figured out what the response invariably is. (Although I admit that the idea that we should first get OS's to support Namecoin, and then toss that out the window by adding 3rd party trust once it's already installed by default, is a new variant on this. Congrats.)
7. As far as I'm aware, you haven't contributed any funding, and you definitely don't have the technical background to be doing coding or outreach on this. This suggests a form of entitlement mentality. (Although even people who do contribute funding are not exempt from the expectation that they learn first and post recommendations afterward.)
8. It's unclear to me why you brought up Emercoin. Care to explain what that was about? Also please be aware that while Namecoin actively coordinates with MoneroDNS (due to a demonstrated interest by MoneroDNS in said coordination, and a demonstrated level of competence), that is unfortunately not the case for Emercoin. You can be forgiven for being unaware of our opinion of Emercoin, since it doesn't come up very often (it does show up on IRC every now and then).
9. The negative initial impression you're giving would have been considerably helped by simply phrasing your inquiry in the form of a question.
Cheers.